Who in the Portland Oregon area owns a 1st Gen Dodge D-50 or "clone"?

[mozzles]

Ok now, come on. Camoit I respect your position on this forum, and you have been very helpful for me and my truck. But the evidence shows (does it even need evidence? should be obvious, just no one likes having a finger pointed at THEM and their hobby), that reckless 4x4 driving is very harmful to the local ecosystem. I am from the Oregon coast and have seen one of the most beautiful parts of the state, the Oregon dunes, turned into a redneck playground!

Any time you go out there now, you are bound to find nothing but buzzing ATVs, drunk idiots littering and driving off trails, harassing anybody who isn't on a 4-wheeler of their own. It is really pretty pathetic, and when you try to confront any of them about it, they start spouting a bunch of anti-"liberal" crap about how THE ENVIRONMENTALISTS are ruining everything, taking all of their "rights" away. These people are scum and about 90% of them don't give a shit about anything but themselves. There are some who are considerate and want to leave a good image for their hobby and other riders, but those are few and far in between.

Now, over here in Central Oregon I've found out it's just as bad! There is a triangle of public land, between Bend, Redmond, and Sisters, and the highways going to each. The state/counties were letting people off road there unofficially, if they took care of the land and did not create new trails. A couple years went by, recently they went out and found it torn the fuck up, new trails everywhere, huge ruts had turned the small "jeep trails" into mud pits.

Oregon is a great state, but boy howdy, ignorance does prevail.

[PowerRam348]

Ok now, come on. Camoit I respect your position on this forum, and you have been very helpful for me and my truck. But the evidence shows (does it even need evidence? should be obvious, just no one likes having a finger pointed at THEM and their hobby), that reckless 4x4 driving is very harmful to the local ecosystem. I am from the Oregon coast and have seen one of the most beautiful parts of the state, the Oregon dunes, turned into a redneck playground!

Any time you go out there now, you are bound to find nothing but buzzing ATVs, drunk idiots littering and driving off trails, harassing anybody who isn't on a 4-wheeler of their own. It is really pretty pathetic, and when you try to confront any of them about it, they start spouting a bunch of anti-"liberal" crap about how THE ENVIRONMENTALISTS are ruining everything, taking all of their "rights" away. These people are scum and about 90% of them don't give a shit about anything but themselves. There are some who are considerate and want to leave a good image for their hobby and other riders, but those are few and far in between.

Now, over here in Central Oregon I've found out it's just as bad! There is a triangle of public land, between Bend, Redmond, and Sisters, and the highways going to each. The state/counties were letting people off road there unofficially, if they took care of the land and did not create new trails. A couple years went by, recently they went out and found it torn the fuck up, new trails everywhere, huge ruts had turned the small "jeep trails" into mud pits.

Oregon is a great state, but boy howdy, ignorance does prevail.

no offense, but this sounds like hippy talk. i'm an environmental consultant and have dealt with everything from fuel spills, meth labs, and lots of other stuff. the only thing i see in the mountains is not 4-wheeling damage but people who use the wilderness as a landfill, to grow pot, or put up meth labs... don't confuse these things. a couple guys who go and squirl around in the mud do less damage to the environment than a herd of elk moving through an area or a logging company punching a new road. have you seen what elk can do to a wilderness area? as a hunter i have seen whole areas obliterated by elk from them scratching their horns, pawing at the ground for food, or eating everything in that area including the bark around the tree's which, by the way, kills the tree's.