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    Newly aquired 86 g63b with Mikuni carb

    OK guys so I just was given a 1986 Ram 50. It has had 2 owners but hasn't been daily driven in 10 years. I have so many questions but I am starting here. There have been modifications done by would be mechanics. So to start It was pulling fuel from the old gas can in the bed with two hoses ran too an aftermarket electric in line fuel pump. That being said I always like to have a baseline to start my trouble shooting from. I replaced the tank and fuel line but assumed that the in line pump was installed due to the mechanical pump not working. After making the fuel system as close to factory as I could it runs for about two or three minutes then acts like it is starved for fuel and dies. But this is only with the inline pump running. I shut it off and it will run fine at idle and will also run fine a steady 3000RPM. The issue now is that when I first hit the gas there is the classic fall on its face for a sec before grabbing fuel. What I am here to ask is if the weber conversion is the where I should head from here? Is rebuilding the Mikuni worth it? I plan on driving it daily for a while before performing an engine swap so I'm interested in what the best method is. Thanks for any input.

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    Hi and welcome to mightyram. Sounds like the accelerator enrichment pump on the carb has failed. Easy to check (engine off) - remove the air filter, manually hold open the choke butterfly and twist the throttle linkage open and closed a few times. While you do this, look down the primary throat for a jet/stream of fuel coming from the side of the throat. No fuel stream or a dribble of fuel indicates the pump diaphragm has failed. You don't need to remove the carb to fix this (a little fiddly to work on while the carb is still mounted but do-able) but as the pump diaphragm is part of a kit I would say it's time to overhaul the carb anyway seeming it has been sitting for so long. They probably installed the electric pump thinking fuel supply was part of the problem but be aware that if the engine starves out of fuel while at highway speeds or being under hard open throttle it may indicate the mechanical pump is struggling.

    As for your question - yes the Weber swap is worth the effort. Not a straight forward deal but the minor mods that need to be done aren't complicated to pull off. The Weber will be happiest with accompanying engine mods but will work fine just as a change over. Depending on the electric pump you are already part way there for the conversion (the Weber needs a high volume, low pressure pump to operate correctly) You have 2 Weber carb options - 32/36 DFEV or the more modern designed 38DGES. The 38 has more scope for engine performance tuning. Both will offer better power delivery and economy than the stock carb under daily driving conditions.

    *engine type - if your engine has an alloy timing cover it's a 4G54/G54B 2.6 otherwise it'll be a belt driven G63B 2.0 engine.
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    Thank you for the welcome! And also so much for the advice. I am excited to start the journey with my truck. I am ordering the rebuild kit today as my carb is also leaking a small amount of fuel from the front side upon further inspection. I might just replace the fuel pump while I have the carb off. any specific information that might be helpful? My engine has a plastic timing cover.
    Also I have driven her around the block a few times and it does seem as though it is acting starved for fuel after giving her a bit off steep throttle. After climbing a steep hill it coughs a bit, this problems seems to go away if I keep it in low gear. It has the 3 speed automatic 2wd. That being said keeping it in low gear seems to lessen the dying out. When it does die out sometimes she wont start back up easily. With or without the electric fuel pump running. I apologize for throwing a lot of information at you at one time but I want to properly diag. and repair. Thank you again for your help!

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    There may be another issue other than the carb/fuel delivery. There are a number of things that can cause engine stumble or random engine shut downs (not specific to these trucks/engines - just treat it as normal fault diagnosis...) Stick to the basics first - engine tune, vacuum leaks, blocked EGR, carb function (auto choke, fuel bowl vent, accelerator pump *which looks like a possible fault etc) fuel filter/hoses/pump then look at things like distributor advance function, ignition coil. If you plan on doing the Weber install, there is a specific kit for automatic trans optioned trucks (there is an additional linkage for the transmission kick-down cable) My money is on something minor that is nerfing your engine like poor engine tune or a tired coil, lazy fuel pump or a clogged filter.
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    Ok. Just finished rebuilding the carb. Just did the full rebuild as we had discussed before. acc. pump no longer leaking. But of course she is doing the same thing as before. I'm thinking of trying the ignition coil now. There are no vacuum leaks (well none that change when doing the basic leak check. It does seem to worsen when the truck is heated up. It idles smooth and will remain idling as long as I want, it still stumbles for that first bit of throttle increase. but once past that point it will run at holding 2000RPM and above smoothly. When I do acc. hard up a hill she acts a little starved for fuel. Here is the information that I think is key, When it does cough and die during driving I have to hold the throttle open and crank for a min before it begins to pop and start again. This happens with and without the aftermarket in line fuel pump running. So I do not think that it is a pressure issue even if the mechanical pump is failing. And if pressure is the issue why will it run at high rpm sitting still fine but not after opening the throttle while driving. I'm frustrated as I cannot nail down what is causing the issue.

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    I refer you to Camoit and Geezer's post just before you

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    Srr, thanks for sharing your progress & troubleshooting results... I dont have an answer but I have somewhat similar issues with my truck... Some of my threads have carburetor info links... I hope to begin rebuilding my Mikuni carb very soon; so far just buying tools & parts to throw at it...

    It might be another 2 years or more before small trucks are for sale in USA so keep at it brother... The FSM has a bunch of DMM checks with carb on the truck, worth a look...

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    Add 5 gallons of fuel (baseline) remove fuel filler (Gas) cap, roadtest & post back!
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    Last edited by claych; 07-12-2020 at 12:43 PM.

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