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    I don't have a budget yet. I think first things will be a front end rebuild... it's getting kinda loose up there. Make it safe.. then make it fast.

    For under $3K we went 12.0's with the 360.. that included buying and building the truck.. Those days are long gone.

    What I have is...

    A free 318 Magnum with A500 tranny. Swap it to carb for now... then swap to Holley Sniper or FI Tech down the road to go back to EFI. The 318 alone would get me into the 15's if not high 14's.

    The truck I built came in at 2500 lbs with the 360 and full interior... so it doesn't take much motor to get it going.

    Also what I have....

    Eaton blower from a V6 Bonneville... I thought a blown 2.4 with an Holley Sniper 2 barrel EFI conversion would be fun. Making a manifold is easy. My buddy is a machinist and we would just cut the top for the Sniper to sit on top.

    I'm mulling lots over in the way of options. I like to be different and a blown 4 cyl also sounds like fun.

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    2500 pounds with a V8 is really lightweight.... like corolla light
    a stock 4g63 + auto tranny will easily go 12.0s at 2500 pounds. Turbo stock 2.4 can as well imo.
    Cold-side supercharged 2.4 will be hot-air limited with no intercooler. Less performance per dollar

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    I agree about the hot air. I thought about a sandwiched cold water intercooler between the blower and manifold. I see that alot in the higher HP engines.

    I do agree the turbo is the better option but everything I look at this blower I smile so I'm up in the air..

    Heck... I suppose you can always feed the turbo intercooler return line directly into the blower...

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    if u could put a supercharger on the cold side, u could also on the hot side....
    then run an an air-water intercooler with short plumbing
    Modified 1.6 supercharged toyotas propell street rwd corollas to 13sec 1/4s.
    Impressive for a puny motor that produces tire frying torque

    Moded cold side GM 3800 go 12s in 32-3300 pound rwd
    Great 2 valve performance, but the truck 2.4 wayyyy less displacement per pound
    Maybe u should have grabbed the 3800 hooked up to that blower while u were at it - lol

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    I have the 3800..LOL I would like to keep the drivetrain either Mitsubishi or Chrysler. (I love running at Mopar Days)

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    yep, I'm all for Mitsu power
    Had I seen the 500hp/500 ft-lbs stock $90 caravan 3.0L, from way back.... I probably would have no interest in mitsu 4 cylinders

    Turbo 2.4 + upgraded auto transmission seems like the natural path to hot performance for this truck
    Megasquirt probably your cheapest, tuning option. Quickest up & running too (with vendor support)
    Go twincam head later if u wanna go crazy

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    ??? upgraded automatic transmission ???
    A500? AW372? Aisin Warner A44D & DL ??

    With Respects dash Please do post the upgrades
    THX!!!

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    use the very same upgrade path/mods that r availavble for almost every other automatic transmissions
    Starquest tranny mods covered on SQClub forum for example
    Your goal dictates how deep you go

    Without Transbrake, you can still have a ridiculously quick street car... good ol' brake-standing
    My neighbour shifted his 1JZ auto via energizing solenoids, and increased line pressure. Car is quick. Never failed
    He says converter stall can b varied thru pressure also
    After seeing this auto perform, I grabbed a free JZ(Aisin) tranny. Same size & weight as old 80s corolla. Impressive

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    I have never had issues with the torqueflite series of engine that this tranny is built off of. My Big Block Aspen I had up to 7 years ago ran 12's with a 727. The A500 in my truck is based off the 904.. which is also part of the torqueflite family. The tranny is the least of my worried.

    I will probably go blow through Holley Sniper. I might mount the turbo under the bed behind the cab ( since the gas tank is in the rear). This should mitigate the heat issues as tube from the rear to the Blower would be long enough to give a cooling effect. The heat from the blower is the worrisome part.

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    This should help.. picked it up for $100 today

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    Bargain. This will change the game in your favour
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    I jumped on it...
    Now I have a blower and a turbo..LOL

    Now to keep gathering parts.

    I have heard the stock ECM can handle up to 6 psi? Is this true?

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    I think you can fudge the numbers by disconnecting the O2 sensor to make it run rich so it can fend off running lean boost, but how much...? There are modules you can use to alter the O2 readings so the ECU will run the mixture rich enough to support conservative boost. I did find this in a quick search -
    https://splitsec.com/wp-content/uplo...losed_Loop.pdf (don't know if this is of any help)
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    I certainly don't want to melt down so I will wait until I have the correct electronics. You wouldn't want too much boost without changing the gap in the rings anyways. I was just thinking of starting at 6PSI. I do have to figure out how to adjust the wastegate since it is done by a vacuum canister.

    I found a Neon SRT intercooler for $100 so I think I will pick that up.

    There is a 19t upgrade for this turbo also..

    Baby steps.... I still have to make an exhaust manifold... or.... mount the turbo under the bed

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    Quote Originally Posted by geezer
    I think you can fudge the numbers by disconnecting the O2 sensor to make it run rich so it can fend off running lean boost, but how much...? There are modules you can use to alter the O2 readings so the ECU will run the mixture rich enough to support conservative boost. I did find this in a quick search -
    https://splitsec.com/wp-content/uplo...losed_Loop.pdf (don't know if this is of any help)
    with respects have you done a build with the above link????

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    Nope. Just a quick search as a reference (thus the "don't know if this will help" statement)
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    td04 is small. Subaru? Volvo? Always get a turbo from an application with much bigger displacement
    U plan running blower also? Need an even bigger turbo still. Heat from blower + restrictive turbine... smells like cracked pistons

    twincharging only successful if components sized properly. HUGE challenge will be blower-to-turbo transition
    A handful of supercharged 1.6 toyotas pulled it off. Stock SC12 blower + big ol T04 turbo to pick up where the SC ran out of puff
    Work so well, torque curve had zero downsides..... mashed in the seat from off idle to 7500rpm... all from a puny 1.6
    Very complicated endeavor tho. You must love doing things the hardest way


    piggybacks can deliver. Problem is finding what/if its compatible with 2.4 electronics AEM-FIC, SMT, Emanage
    https://www.aemelectronics.com/produ...ntroller/fic-6
    https://shop.perfectpower.com/index....&product_id=51
    http://www.greddy.com/products/total...NAGE+Ultimate/

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    This is a subaru turbo. If is probably a little small. There is a 19t upgrade for it. Now.. I'm not looking to make a tire smoker. If I ran 14.90's I would be happy.

    According to some math, I need 150 hp to the back wheels to run 15.00. At 19.20 I made 70 hp at the rear wheels.

    I would need to double it. Not sure if boost and fuel can make that must of a difference without super high boost levels. I would really like to stay under 10 psi with the stock pistons. Stock, the wastegate on my turbo is set to 8 psi.

    I have talked to a cam grinder in Australia that has a few grind profiles he could put on my 2.4 litre cam but I would have to ship it around the world for that.

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    blower + turbo under bed + sniper + 2 barrel manifold + trigger wheel + MSD + cam + ........
    throwing way too much at that poor 2.4L imo
    if u gonna get anything from oz/nz, I'd get the 2.0 starion turbo manifold. Starion turbo bolts right on & downpipe
    Redzone should be able to source u one: http://www.starquestclub.com/forum/i...382&hl=redzone
    He had a 2.4 head on his 2.0 starion. Car ran 13s. Knows cam options & can get whatever u want


    A crapload of entry level slow econoboxes have ran 14s with manual gearbox: stock ecu + stock injectors on good ol FMUs
    Here is one example, doubles the hp & tq to the tires. Spent $260 turbocharging.. best money ever! he says - lol
    http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2218783/1996-ford-escort/

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    I actually stumbled upon this last night and think it might be the ticket for the small amount of boost I would like to make.

    https://splitsec.com/product/lsc1-00...ichment-module

    I watched a video of one installed. This would let me use the factory ECU and just have the 02 signal intercepted.

    $200 US isn't that bad of an investment.

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    If it simplifies the set up, the cash justifies time saved. You can give the site a run down on of hooking it up and end results on a dedicated thread. So that link was helpful...
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    good deal -if- it works. Hardly any boosted stock ecu 2.4 for feedback, so your 2.4 is a lab rat
    Lotsa boosted Tacomas, so a decent bit of info out there for them to feed on:
    https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/...em-fic.467819/

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    I sent a message to the company with my combination.

    If I melt the 2.4, I will put in the V8 LOL..

    I will start a new thread if I get it.

    I do need to get an Air Fuel Ratio meter to set some sort of a base line to measure from.

    I'll let you guys know when I get the response from the company

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    I'm curious if there is a flat top option for Forged pistons with the SOHC. Not sure if I could use the EVO pistons with the SOHC head .

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