Thanks Mr. Pennyman1; when I saw how much of the pipe wasn't there anymore, that is exactly what I did. She goes in tomorrow... far enough from the house that I guess I will just have to gut up and wait for them to call me at the local watering hole. Cheaper then buying my own mandrel bender, even with the watering hole thrown in!! I am still on the market for a used pipe if someone spots one at a Pick-and-Pay. I had some trouble locally with rotors also, but e-Bay came through. I ordered two sets of rotors and pads to make sure this does not happen again. Grumpy